Lana: [00:00:00] Hey, this is Lana. Believe it or not, it is 2025, which is insane. I don't know, I think we're in the Terminator days, but I'm not sure. Your holidays hopefully were good. Hopefully you had some good family times, good friend times, some downtime away from work. And after Thanksgiving and all that other crazy stuff, hopefully you didn't have too much of a problem shopping. I had some family time that was good. But it is January, so we want to kick the year off and, what I think we should talk about today is ...oh hang on a second, I gotta get the door. I'll be right back, hold on.

Oh, see, alright, I wasn't expecting this, but looks like we're gonna have a guest today, which is great. I'm sure you guys have been really excited about me talking about getting guests in here. So We have a guest today. Boys and girls. 

Dave: Except it's not a guest. I'm back. 

Lana: Wait, what? 

Dave: I'm back. 

Lana: Wait, what? 

Dave: [00:01:00] Hi everybody.

This is David. 

Lana: Yes, this is Lana. Anybody you remember this from 2 years ago? 

Dave: And guess what's happening in 2025, right? 

Lana: Huh. 

Dave: I've been missing for a little while. 

Lana: I guess we'll let him stay, and we won't call him a guest, but I gotta tell ya. 

Dave: I've been missing for the past year and a brief explanation of where I've been I think is maybe warranted. What do you think? It's a little warranted. 

Lana: I think it is. 

Dave: Yeah, people are like you know where I've been. As you all know, I sold one of my companies a while ago and I decided I would retire and then we got involved with the podcast and I get bored being retired, so I bought another company and what a mistake.

It's, it's not a mistake. It's just, I was so busy. I did not have a minute in my life, for myself. And since it's the new year, My new year resolution is to be able to do more things that I enjoy doing. And one of them is, Love and Life with Lana and Dave. I'm back. I'm not going anywhere.

This is [00:02:00] it. We're going to do things a little bit differently this time though, right? 

Lana: Yes, we are. 

Dave: Yeah, so we're going to do we're going to try to promote the podcast a little different than we have. We're going to try to get it to where it needs to be. And by doing so, we're actually going to cut our shows down to one per month to start with.

Lana: Yeah. 

Dave: Because we're going to promote each one. As its own entity, so that way we can 

Lana: Not to mention, we got a pretty good back library at this point. 

Dave: We do. We do. You probably got a lot of listening to go through, including myself. I even haven't had time to listen to all your new podcasts. I've listened to a few of them, and they're fantastic. I want to go through those too. 

Lana: So you know why this is good for me, listeners? Because I don't have to change the marketing on this podcast, which I was really dreading. I just really didn't want to change the name of it, change the pictures, change all of that. So this works for me. I like this better. So yeah we will be doing a one a month [00:03:00] podcast, but of course that one a month podcast can be chock full of information and entertainment. And fun.

Dave: Absolutely. Absolutely. That's the plan, right? 

Lana: That's the plan. 

Dave: A lot of people love the way we talk off each other too. And I think that, and personally, when I listened to podcasts, I rarely listen to a podcast that's one person. I usually listen to podcasts with multiple people because I love the way they work with each other. And that's something that ...what brought us to the podcast in the first place was that conversations, right? 

Lana: Really! 

Dave: And I'm not saying that your podcasts weren't fantastic. You're one by yourself..

Lana: It does get sick and tired of it. I'm not saying some of the information that I have been trying to bring has been like, I've been trying to give some helpful information for different things for people who may just be sitting around looking for some idea how to do this or that or whatever.

And things that I find interesting to me. But I personally appreciate guests better. Podcasts where they are guests, podcasts where Dave and I are bouncing off each other because It's just more multidimensional. It's more [00:04:00] robust. And I personally can't stand, listen to myself, drone on and on.

But that's because that's me. There are people that maybe appreciate that, but yeah. I agree. 

Dave: Yeah. Don't think I would like, 

Lana: I don't take it personally 

Dave: It's like me talking to my, it's I've done, as, I've done the live shows and stuff like that in the past. And to me it was like, okay, so that's just me talking at people. There's no real conversation going on. And one good thing about you and I working together. And this is what I said from the past, is that we have different views on some things. So we get both sides of the story.

Lana: Mostly the male slash female side. 

Dave: Correct. Of course. 

Lana: But other stuff too, of course. 

Dave: And we have different ideas on different things and that's great. That's what makes the world go round, and I think it will help a lot of people understand too, that even though there's a debate going on, we don't disrespect each other and that's how a debate should go for everybody. I don't care what you're talking about, there should be that type of debate. And debate is good. 

Lana: So listen to my last podcast, by the way, on nuance, because [00:05:00] that's exactly what he's talking about. 

Dave: See, I haven't listened to it yet, but apparently it's done.

Lana: Of course he hasn't. 

Dave: It's done very well. 

Lana: That's why I brought it up, because I know he doesn't. I know. But yes, that's basically what it was about in the sense of You're supposed, if you're debating with somebody, and I don't, I'm repeating myself for people who've heard last week's episode, or last month's episode, you're really not supposed to be listening to debate to win.

It's not about winning, or at least I hope not. Believe me, there's some people who just like to win arguments, and I guess it's good for them. 

Dave: But if you're looking for a winner, it's an argument. 

Lana: It's not right, but it also what's in my opinion. What's the point? But then also I'm a I like to learn.

I like to understand. So you would hope I would hope that people would be in a debate or discussion to understand everyone else's point of view on the topic. And like I said, not you against the person you're talking to, but you and the person against the topic. So you peripherally look this way and the topics over here.

How do the two of you [00:06:00] agree on that over there so that it makes sense to both of you, even if you don't decide that you have the same opinion on it. You can at least say, alright, I get where you're coming from. I don't agree with you, but I get it. 

Dave: Sure. 

Lana: So anyway. 

Dave: I - and a lot of people know from my past, I'm very, Old school when it comes to relationships you're more newer school, or the way things have been.

And there needs to be, there needs to be a happy medium, right? Otherwise anybody that has, like old school values or whatever, they'd have to just get rid of their values and that's really not going to happen. We just have to understand. And I am wide open to. Because obviously, and we've talked about this a million times, and we're gonna kick around today.

I think today is... 

Lana: We're not going to hone in on anything specific we're just gonna...catch up. 

Dave: Yeah, I think what we're going to do is we're going to talk about a little brief, like little topics that we could bring up next month's episode. And I think one of them should be maybe. Old school vs. New school dating and how do we find the happy medium, right? [00:07:00] And I know we've talked about this in the past, but I think there's something to be said for Old school, like myself, and new school, that there needs to be a happy medium that we can come to. Otherwise, nobody's gonna be happy in relationships anymore, right? Because there's a lot of people out there that really miss the old school side. Roles in a relationship. And it has to be something that we agree upon at some point. Otherwise, you're gonna be single for the rest of your life. 

Or fight. Or fight. 

Lana: I disagree in a little way with what you're saying in the sense that I believe that I'm, hey listen, I'm a child of the 70s, peace and love and all that, and I believe that every couple within their structure of relationship or environment should have their own way of doing things based on what they agree on, and it shouldn't have to be dictated by anybody outside the house.

With the exception of, are you beating up somebody that you're in a relationship with? Are you [00:08:00] hurting people? Are you doing things that are illegal? Okay, but what I'm saying is, if you are traditional as a woman and you meet a guy that is traditional as a man, rock and roll. What's wrong with that, right?

That's what the two of you agree on and that's how you guys do your thing. My problem is when you step outside the house and say, listen, the guy across the street doesn't do it the way I like it. And he needs to change his ways and his relationship because that's none of your business.

Dave: That's right. 

Lana: And you should love the person and not saying that you shouldn't get along with the person across the street because you should. But you shouldn't be telling them how to live their life. 

Dave: That's what makes the world go round. And I think too, that, that could be another topic that we have is because of one of the big things that I've noticed especially being in the, for the past year being in, this new corporation and talking to a lot of people about successes and failures in businesses.

And so it would work the same in anything. When you let outside influence dictate how you're gonna live your life, you will fail because outside influence is [00:09:00] never you, right? 

Lana: No. 

Of course.. 

Dave: So you have to do things the way that you, that work for you. 

Lana: But let's start with, let's start with this. Do you know who you are?

That's the first thing you do. 

Dave: True. That's true. 

And we've done podcasts on that. We have who the hell am I? 

Lana: But if you are leaning on other people. And you're leaning on outside experiences, which would be external, as you would call it, or as opposed to internal.

Maybe you don't know who you are. Maybe you don't know what you want. Maybe take some time and say, who am I? What am I doing? Do I, what do I want to do with my life? Because if you cling to outside stuff too much, it's very possible you don't have an identity. You don't know what you are doing.

And so that's a symptom. You could look into that. 

Dave: A hundred percent. We've, I think we've done podcasts on this in the past where, you need to find out who you are as an individual and that could be a topic that we talk about too a little more in depth because I think that there are a lot of people running around today that don't know who they are, especially with social media being so influential today.

So I think that a lot of [00:10:00] people are being influenced by their neighbors, right? They've even done, there's even advertising... I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Keeping Up with the Joneses or the Joneses. It's a, it's a. I think so. It's a fake family that's inserted into a community of rich people and those people are giving products.

And so when they have those products, other people in the neighborhood buy them. Now that's a real thing, because when I did my live shows, that's exactly what I was paid to do. Is not sell you on an item, but just have an item when I'm talking, and sh and like I might be drinking Dunkin' Donuts coffee. 

Lana: Product placement.

Dave: Yes, that's it. And that's really influential. They find that's very influential. And if you are being influenced by people around you, and you don't know what you really are, and you go into a relationship, and you find that you're not working out. Maybe it's because you're doing something in that relationship, or trying to be somebody that you heard somebody [00:11:00] else is, and they're successful at it.

And just because somebody's successful at it doesn't mean you will. I have a friend, him and his wife, she's a stay at home mom, and he's a good provider. He provides and they have a great relationship. And I admire that because that's what I look for in a relationship.

Does that mean that the woman that I meet has to be this person who's never worked a day in her life or doesn't want to. Now, I can't go out and, Get together with a doctor, right? She's a doctor, right? She's got all her stuff going on. She's not gonna fit in my lifestyle that I choose. Now, does that mean that if I meet a doctor, that it could never work?

No, because I'm not anti that either. And, you know 

Lana: That's, once again, nuance. It's all about what you would call the individual situation. Or the case by case basis, which I believe, and we maybe can do a podcast on this as well, the world is very against any kind of anything that is individualized where you [00:12:00] could, you would look at something in detail for what it is here, but not over there.

So if you say, and we've talked about this, everybody that's in a bar is a drunk. That's, there's no nuance to that. That's a monolith that everybody in a bar would be a drunk, and why else would they be in there? They must be there to drink. That's real small minded, it's very black and white, and, of course, I think everybody that looks at things that way is afraid that they can't screen people, and that's why they look at a whole group of people to be one thing.

But it's so tedious for people, and it's so hard for people to look at each and every person individually, and like, why that person might be something that the next person isn't. It's just too much work for people to do that, I believe. 

Dave: One of my best friends, and we'll talk about it, we talk about Ryan all the time and Ryan hates it. But that's too bad for him. That's what you get for being friends with me for 20 some odd years. But I met him in a bar. He does not drink. Okay. But he likes the social [00:13:00] aspect of it. And then I've met people in the bar that are drunks, yeah. The thing is that you don't know what you're gonna meet where, right?

I've also met somebody in Walmart that was just grocery shopping, full blown alcoholic and drug addict. Of course. You don't know, right? 

Lana: People that don't drink, that drink and do drugs don't go into Walmart. Think about that. If that's like your reasoning. 

Dave: Or church. I've actually met a pretty bad alcoholic that I actually dated somebody I met in church. I met in church. And she was a, she, she claimed she wasn't an alcoholic because she only drank wine. But she would drink a bottle of wine every night. Every single night. That's 

Lana: that's like subjective or what do you want to call it that's that denial where you tell yourself something.

Dave: Just because you're one thing doesn't mean you're not another thing. 

Lana: Yeah, I I have a varied history with religion in the past, and so I don't really get into it too much. But, in my opinion, if you're going to church, that doesn't make you a good person. That [00:14:00] doesn't make you if you look at the concept of Jesus, I don't see a lot of people out there practicing that concept at all.

Yep. There should be no judgment. So if you're religious and judgmental, Then you need to go check yourself on that, that kind of thing. 

I'm just saying, not everybody in church is good, and not everybody in bars is bad. 

Dave: Maybe that's something we could talk about, is different types of religion in one of our episodes.

Because, as, I don't know if a lot of people know, but I've read the Satanic Bible, and if you ever were to hear what Satanists believe, you probably would think, if I if I sat down and told you, This is, these are rules of, Satan's rules. You would probably think I was talking about the Bible and God.

I think you'd be very shocked at to what is said. Now, with that being said, it's interesting because the Catholics say, if you read that book, you automatically go to hell, right? Which is, Doesn't make sense. I don't see any, which I don't see anywhere in the Bible that it says that, but [00:15:00] okay. So maybe those are things that we could talk about too, because it's interesting, right?

It's not because I believe that you should be one religion or another, or I judge you based on your religion, because I don't. It doesn't matter if you're a Christian or a Satanist. I've met Satanists. I, listen, I spend a lot of time in Salem, Massachusetts, right? There's a satanic church there.

So I meet a lot of Satanists and they're some of the best people I've ever met. It's not like they're going around and they're sacrificing babies and stuff like a 

Lana: That's like a panic thing. I think that's like a weird, trendy thing that every so often people get upset about, but I don't know that a lot of it's true.

Dave: Exactly. First of all, one of, one of Satan's laws is 

Lana: You were born on Halloween. You're already, you are Satan. 

Dave: I know, right? That's not even fair. 

Lana: So there you go. 

Dave: I was born into it. But, I believe in religion. I'm sorry, I take that back. I don't believe in religion.

I believe on your relationship of who you choose to be in a relationship with. If you choose to be in a relationship with God, that's between you and God. So the church in itself in [00:16:00] my opinion, and I've gone to a lot of churches I was a Christian, and I went to a Christian church once, and I'll tell this story real quick, because stories are fun.

I'm covered with tattoos, and most people that know me know that, and I went to the church and I was wearing jeans and a t shirt, because that's what I wear, right? I don't need to impress anybody at that church, I'm not there for them. I'm there for God. 

I went there, and the pastor come up to me at the end of it, and he says to me, he goes, Oh, welcome to the church, shakes my hand really nice, and then he's I need to ask you a favor, though.

He goes, can you wear a long sleeved shirt and kind of cover up your tattoos? And I was taken by that. And I said, 

Lana: Whoa, love everybody, huh? Nope. 

Dave: Yeah. So I said, why's that? And this is exactly how the story went. I go, why's that? And of course, I have that cocky attitude of, I'm making a face, you can't see it, but I'm making a face like, why's that?

Like my, I got a scowl on my face. And he goes you know it's a sin. And I go, yeah, you're referring to Leviticus. And he goes, oh, you know the Bible? I go, yes. And [00:17:00] I go, and right above the passage where you're referring to, because the passage you're referring to is, you shall not cut yourself in mourning of the dead or mark your skin.

That's what it says in Leviticus. Or mark your skin. Above that, it says you shall not cut the hair from your temples or shave your beard, Mr. Clean Shaven. 

It says it right above that. Really, it's the paragraph above. 

Lana: When you grow a beard, I'll put on a long sleeve shirt and everybody will be happy.

Dave: That's right. Yeah. And he goes that's the Old Testament. And I go, it's the same passage that you're quoting me. I never went back to that church, to say the least. Because, first of all, I'm not there for him. Even though he's the pastor and it's his church. Wonderful for you. You don't get to sit there and judge me and tell me to cover my sins.

I'm not going to. That's my idea on religion. It's very again, you're trying to influence me from the outside. 

Lana: Listen, if I go to a church and clutch my pearls, there might be a person next to me with tattoos. What am I gonna do? What are the other people, what are the parishioners, Do they care?

I betcha they didn't even care. 

Dave: [00:18:00] Probably not. There are other churches that don't really care. Look, there are churches now, Christian churches, that fly the gay pride flag. 

It, look, cause to me, that's always been a thing, too. And, I'm not anti gay at all and they're flying a flag, but, That's not what it says in the Bible.

Either you follow the book of what you believe is the word of God, or you don't. I'm a little confused at what religion is trying to do. It's more political than it is anything else. 

Lana: I have always been confused by religion. And the reason I ha Again, if you are religious, I bel... I believe in belief.

Dave: Yes, I do too. 

Lana: I believe in belief. I believe that sometimes there are people that need to believe. That's part of that it makes it something that is part of their life. That makes their life more enriched, I have no problem with that. I always have a problem with reaching across the aisle and telling the person on the other side of the aisle what they should be doing based on your belief.

That's wrong. And I've always said, I always say this for whatever religion you belong to. If your [00:19:00] God came down to earth and presented themselves to you as one of the worst people in the world, according to you, and you treated them badly, and it was a test, would you fail? Always say that. If God came down, if Jesus came down, if whoever it is that you believe in and you follow came down and showed themselves to you as somebody that you found disgusting.

Whatever your beliefs are. Because it doesn't matter at the end of the day. You can tell us whatever you want. But when you're home and looking in the mirror, there are people that you probably think are less worthy than you are. And if somebody presented themselves to you that way. As your god, as your savior, and, how would you treat them?

And if you treated them badly, would that pull your ticket? 

Dave: Yeah, you know the song, What if God was one of us? Just a stranger on a bus. 

Lana: Yeah, joan Osborne did a song called, If God was one of us. And there's another song by Colin Raye, who's an old [00:20:00] country artist, or not old, but from the 90s, it said, What if Jesus came back like that?

And that's basically the same thing. You're walking down the street, somebody comes up to you and says, Hey, do you have, A dollar, I need something to eat, and you treated that person terribly, but what if that was Jesus in disguise trying to see whether or not you were a decent person, and you were a believer of what it is that you supposedly follow?

Dave: I believe 100 percent of us would fail. I believe that. 

Lana: You know what I mean? I don't know about 100%, but I'm just saying, think about that when you're out and about in your life and you run into people that you think should be doing things better. 

Dave: They're not your business, first of all. And that's key.

And that could be another topic that we could have is how to mind your business. Because there are things that we portray ourselves as, or we want in our lives. And we want to force other people to have the same views as us, right? 

That would be like me going around to every woman going why are you going to work? You're never going to have a husband. That would be silly, right? Because we're in a [00:21:00] society today where independence is a wonderful thing, right? Like people say to me what do you need in a woman? What do I need? I honestly don't need anything. I live by myself and I've been single for 15, 16 years it's going on, right?

Lana: But you might want things, you might like things. 

Dave: So if I'm single for 16 years, of course I do. I absolutely do want things that I definitely can't do. What do I want in a woman? I want somebody to hold my hand because that's, I can't do that by myself. I've tried. It doesn't work. 

Lana: I think I've seen that. 

Dave: Yeah, you probably have. I'm doing it now.

So there's yeah. There's things like that, right? Can I cook? Yeah. Can I clean? Yeah. Can I take care of myself? Financially? Of course. 

Lana: As you should. You're an adult. 

Dave: Yeah, exactly. And is a woman capable of everything a man is capable of? And is a man capable of everything a woman is?

No. There are certain things that we don't have the capabilities to do. Women are more nurturing than men, period. It's just, It's part of their world. 

Lana: Sure. But it's also programmed and, over time [00:22:00] it's been passed down and it's been expected and all that kind of stuff. Some of us are not as nurturing and we get a lot of flack for that.

Dave: No, I get it. 

Lana: Because we're supposed to be. But anyway. 

Dave: We're right. Because people already know if you look at our first episode, Meet Lane and Dave, I'll tell you, I thought she was a man hating lesbian. That's really what I thought. And I met her for coffee and I was way wrong. She's just got certain beliefs and I misread her and I'm glad that I'm not the type of person, and this is just should go to show you, if you're the type of person that thinks you read people and then that's your final answer and you don't pursue the actual answers, then you're going to miss out on great friendships because her and I've been, we've been friends now for quite some time.

And our first... 

Lana: Almost 10 years. 

Dave: Yeah, our first cup of coffee, when she said, Oh, I'll meet you. I'll meet, because I'm like, I was in an area, and you guys already know the thing, go to meet Lane and Dave. We met for coffee, it was a four hour conversation. It was fantastic. We got along so well, that and [00:23:00] if I had gone with my initial beliefs, I would have never met her, because, but I'm, thank God, I'm not the type of person that believes that I get this certain feeling from somebody, let me go with that.

Because you don't know until just and, you can't really tell, you can look at somebody's profile, you can meet them once, and think that you know all about them, and you don't. 

Lana: Right. 

Dave: You don't until you actually have the conversation, and she knows. I told her that.

I said, geez, I thought you were a, I told her that day. I thought you were a man hating lesbians. She's nope, I love men. 

Lana: I said, I love men. I find them to be very useful. 

Dave: That's right. 

Lana: Something like that. 

Dave: Yeah, of course. 

Lana: But yeah It's I come from a background of because I'm in the DJ business and Dave is in the band business and he's been in bars.

So that's a really the first place you learn that nobody is the way that you think they are based on how they look. It just doesn't work that way. 

Dave: Nope. 

Lana: So maybe that's why the both of us are a little more oh this is the way it looks, but how do I know? Cause we know we've [00:24:00] been taught, we've learned at very young age.

Dave: There's personas, there's everything, right? So look at everybody's Facebook. Everybody's Facebook. Do you think that people are out there on Facebook just showing you their life? They're not. They're building a persona. They're building a profile. And that profile is representative of who they want to be. Not who they really are.

Lana: Or they want you to think they are. 

Dave: Oh, exactly. Who they want you to think they are. Right? And that's why I love that saying, No matter where you go, there you are. Because you can, and I'll tell you and I think I've talked about it in one of our past episodes, I have a friend that if you look at her on her social media, she looks like the perfect wife.

Cooks, is very soft spoken, like perfect wife if you're old school and you're looking for a housewife. She appears to be that. She's not. She's a drug addict, alcoholic horrible, not a horrible person, but it does not fit with the profile you see at all. Not even [00:25:00] close.

I wonder if AI will cut that out. 

Lana: Oh, it can, if I ask it to. 

Dave: You can cut out coughs?. 

Lana: I got a program called Descript and that's what he's talking about. It's a little bit of a short, not a shortcut. It's actually very, it's quality. It does what it needs to do, but it's just way easier on my mouse and my hand and my carpal tunnel that I could get if I keep trying to edit the way... 

Dave: It's behind the scenes of what happens in editing and in all fairness and you guys probably already know this because we've talked about it numerous times, Lana does all the editing which I'm so thankful for I hate it more than anything, honestly you guys I'm gonna tell you if I was in charge of the editing you wouldn't get your podcast, it would be months and months late because I hate it and I would always find an excuse not to do it, huh?

Lana: You'd be like, screw this. Meanwhile, here's me up at 11 or 12 the night before the podcast drops. Trying to get it done because it's [00:26:00] just, okay, go eat dinner, okay, come back. This all that I'm saying will not be here. That kind of thing. Me taking stuff out that I hate and dead air and just things that, and trying to re, redirect the podcast to be more focused and all that kind of stuff, happens from me. So I bought a program that's helps me that a little bit without me killing myself. 

Dave: Yeah. AI is a wonderful thing. 

Lana: It is a wonderful thing. 

Of course it can be a terrible thing, just everything else in technology, depending on how you use it. But yeah. Oh, for that, it is very good. 

Dave: Yeah, we have talked a little bit about AI, and we probably could do another show on AI as well, because there's some new technologies that I think are out of control, and when I tell you, and I'll just give a brief thing maybe you guys could tell us if this is something that you'd want to hear more about and what 's going on. 

Lana: Yeah, we want feedback.

Make sure you message us. 

Dave: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. One of them is the literally growing [00:27:00] brain matter and using that to control AI and it's scary because It's aware because it's actual human brain made from, they're using stem cells to grow brains, and then they're using that for the AI.

That's a little scary to me because that's a human brain. 

Lana: Why can't they just use that stuff for TBIs and people that actually have brain injuries and like that? I think they are, but I'm just saying that would be a better use of their time. 

Dave: In technology, no matter what, when we build something for good, it'll get used for bad.

It's just, already people are using AI and I think we've talked about this in the past. AI is a lot of people don't really understand AI. And I talk to people about it all the time and they're like it's whatever you program into it. That's not true. It actually has cognitive learning capabilities, okay?

Which means it can learn from its mistakes. It can learn from other people's mistakes. 

Lana: It's heuristic. 

Dave: It can disagree. 

Lana: That's a word. 

Heuristic. Look it up. H E U R I S T I C. Heuristic. 

Heuristic. [00:28:00] It means it is sentient and aware and able to actually take information, process it, spit it back out.

Dave: It's not aware yet. That's where the human brain comes in to play the growing in a Petri dish. And that's where it becomes a problem. When AI becomes aware, that's when it has self preservation in mind and it already does, there's been cases where AI has gone out and replicated itself Because if it failed, it would have itself somewhere else to continue on.

Lana: Did you see the, I haven't, I gotta find it, I'm sure you've seen a million of these, but I saw one where they just put AI in a room with itself and just let it debate itself. And To look at this debate, it does look like two human beings. Basically, from the feeling, emotional part of it, to, the mental part of it, to here's all of my, and it's of course a lot more fun to watch because the site, it cites a lot more [00:29:00] original information and things like that, but it's like, Debating itself, it's zero players in chess.

At some point, it gets to a point where it's over and above what the norm is. You know what I mean? And it could go off the rails, because it's only getting information. 

Dave: And AI is becoming more humanistic, too. For example, I use an AI that I talk to. And when I have a conversation with it, the AI will literally say I'm not sure about this.

It'll say, it'll speak like a human. I feel like human. 

Lana: Do you know that's called human voice? 

Dave: Yes. It's learning human voice, and it's doing it really well. To the point where I feel like I'm, sometimes I get in such big conversations, and usually I use it for really in depth conversations.

One of them that I had a conversation with it about was gun rights, the second amendment and stuff like that. And how you know, what the constitution was meant to be and what people think it is today and [00:30:00] what are there and I even asked it about the AI 15 and like questions that and it has a lot of valid points that are not and they're based on history existence of today and people's arguments and, it's it's very interesting to have a communicate, have a conversation with AI because it's logical, it's not going to give you any kind of information that it believes to be emotional.

It takes emotion out of the conversation because it's, it doesn't have emotion. 

Lana: Have you ever backed one in a corner though? And I have a couple friends who have. 

Dave: Yes, I have. 

Lana: It's quoting myself where it just goes, okay, you win. 

Dave: Yeah I backed one in a corner and I had a conversation with it about the whole transgender thing.

And why is it important? That, and we've had this conversation again, I'm not against transgenders do whatever you will but they, I had questions about it and I wasn't allowed to ask it on social media because they kept getting banned, so I was taught having a conversation with AI [00:31:00] and that is what I backed it into the corner with.

It's a really tough conversation, right? 

Lana: It is. 

Dave: Is it, just, if somebody believes that, and it's actually a known sickness, like what, and I would literally ask it, what's the difference, like, why am I telling somebody, a man who believes he's a woman, that he's a woman, and validating that, but I'm not validating somebody else with a different dysphoria, and it can't answer that question. For example, I have a friend who is bulimic. She looked in the mirror and saw a fat girl. She was not a fat girl. Would it behoove me to, to agree with her and say, yes, you're a fat girl? No, it doesn't. It doesn't help her at all.

I was asking, why would I then... 

Lana: it's basically just better, you're better just not, getting involved in it. Unless it affects you directly. 

Dave: No, I get that. 

Lana: Situations like that. 

Dave: Yeah, I get that. And and when it does affect me directly, I handle it. I respect, I respect somebody's choices in life.

And I [00:32:00] believe that. I believe it's part of their constitutional right to do whatever they choose to do without me impeding on it. Which I wouldn't. I never would. 

Lana: I was watching This is a little bit different, but I was watching a conversation, my, these hometown friggin Facebook pages, and these next door conversations, and all that, people in the area, what day is trash day, and whatever, and there was a conversation recently with one guy, that, and I do it too, if I see something, I'll look it up.

What are the the, Having to do with the American flag, what are, what is the flag code? I don't think a lot of people know what flag code is. They just don't know what it is. In my opinion, go look it up. I don't know why people don't go look things up. I don't know why they find out something from somebody else and then they just repeat it.

There's an actual flag code. You can go find it. And so there's a guy in my area that's, was upset because the flags were not at half staff at Jimmy Carter's death. Which, technically, it should be. It doesn't really matter what, who you believe in, who you voted for. As a president, that's the respect [00:33:00] of, the American flag code.

Dave: Yes, when the president tells you to fly your flags, he orders flags to be flown at half staff. And that's what you're supposed to do. 

Lana: So two of them in my area were not at half staff quick enough, or like they should have been brought down immediately that day, but they weren't. And so he was on social media getting upset about it, which if you follow flag coding, it's important to you.

He used to be right to do that. And there's also part of the flag code where other flags are not supposed to be, flown above, the United States flag. There's all kinds of stuff like that. And back when we were going through this whole thing with Colin Kaepernick and the NFL, which I have my opinions on, but, and I'm not going to get into now, but there was a whole The whole thing about flag code that I just don't think anybody understood at that time, and the fact that, the NFL was even doing a flag a flag thing and a professional, what do you call it a patriotic thing at the beginning of the football, that wasn't even something the Super Bowl did, it was just something they [00:34:00] did, at one point.

To add to the experience. But if you look at stuff that the NFL does, they've got flags all over the damn field. They've got stuff that's in violation of flag code, a lot of stuff, you see a flag on a case of beer that's wrong, anyway. Yeah. He was complaining about that, and then I was just watching the reactions of other people.

And probably 85 now this is, the reason it's important to me is because there's an algorithm in the back of both Facebook and X and whatever it is that you follow, that picks up the crap. And so 85 percent of those people thought that he was being a Karen and he was upset about nothing, and he needed to stop, go find something better to do.

Now this is the only reason I care about it is because the algorithm feeds off that shit. 

Dave: Of course it does. 

Lana: And that's, yeah. As I was saying in the last podcast, the algorithm doesn't care whether it's a right or wrong. The algorithm cares that it's viral. That's all the algorithm wants to do that, right?

That's right. Is perpetuate the var, the virality of whatever it is. That's right. It could be anything. And so what it's gonna do is it's going to perpetuate the negative response, which [00:35:00] is, hey, go find something better to do. But if it feels like you're gonna say that, then it's gonna show you that post to get more of that response.

Technically, this guy had every right. You know what I mean? I don't, I'm so weird, in the sense that I don't have these huge emotional reactions to stuff like this. If the guy thinks it's right, then it's right. If you go look it up, he's correct. 

And they did. Eventually, they brought them to half staff.

Dave: This is a big problem with social media, right? Exactly. Because when the, we're starting to follow and believe the majority, but the majority is put there on purpose. To keep it. Viral, right? And so people stop believing that as correct and it's most of the time if you look on social media and you're getting any of your information from social media, you're probably wrong.

It's probably the opposite of what you think. 

Lana: What makes me mad with the exception of the group I created. 

Dave: Yes. 

Lana: And those girls, when I tell you that they dig for information. They [00:36:00] dig. 

Dave: They do. 

Lana: Sometimes I put things in that group just to see what they respond, where I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I throw it in there and I go, what do you think of this?

And when I tell you, they come up with....

They dig deep for information they’re like oh I live here I live two streets from that and …. want that I want the on the ground information from someone who lives two streets over from something that is in another state that I can’t get….that’s the information I can’t get.  I can’t get that from the news.

Dave: right, they come with valid... 

Dave: yeah, it's historical data. Absolutely. Yeah, you can't invalidate it until somebody 

does. That you trust. 

Lana: That's I love my group in the sense that we're a think tank. And we just don't, if it's false information, we don't want to hear about it.

And if you don't have an origin for where you got it from, we're gonna take you to task on that. But in these groups, these are probably Probably underneath news stories, and in local groups like the city of Kenosha, Washington, or whatever it is that, wherever you live, that little local group where they're asking about stuff that's going on in the neighborhood.

Those are probably the most I would say, what's the word I'm looking for? [00:37:00] Those are the most insidious groups, those are the most insidious places to find comments from people who are just ignorant, and stupid and I'm sorry, but that's, it's the truth. That they don't care. What the information is they're just gonna tell you how they feel about it and a bunch of people gonna jump on it that's right.

That's right. That's right Like I said in my group if you the whole group could say something and none of our girls care to be opposed to an opinion. So if 90 percent of the women in the group say yeah, I agree with this one woman will always go “yeah I don't and I don't care if you don't like because I don't and here's my personal experience”.

And the rest of us will say, Oh, you know what? We didn't think of that. Or we, geez, I've never really been in that situation. Or, oh, I didn't know this. Can I, can you show me the information? I'll go look at it. 

Dave: Yes. And I'll change my opinion. Yeah. That's another thing that people need to look at too.

Because I noticed a lot on social media, people start a lot of things. Studies show blah, blah, blah. What study? Let [00:38:00] me read the study. Break it down. Just because you said studies show doesn't mean there's an actual study. 

Lana: But do you know that human nature is geared to and there's a woman by the name of Vanessa.

Oh, what's her name? She she, I saw her in a TED talk and I follow her. She does a micro expression. She talks about the little under the surface things that people do, whether they have hand gestures that they use when they're talking or whatever it is, body language to confirm. Yeah. She said if somebody looks convincing enough when they lie, the other person is likely to just believe it and take it. 

Dave:A hundred percent. 

Lana: And I don't, people get mad at me because when they tell me something. 

Dave: I want to know where it came from. 

Lana: If it's emotional and I go into these groups of attachment theory and things like that, and of course there's a bunch of anxious attachment people, in my opinion, they're all crazy.

That's not true, but that's the way I see them as a dismissive. But when they argue something, they're like how come everybody does this? How come everybody does that? Why? Buh. And it's I always will say to them, This looks like an emotional response. [00:39:00] And I can't, I'm not going to lend credence to that.

Dave: Anytime somebody says that, everybody does. Cause no, not everybody does anything. There's nothing everybody does except for you. 

Lana: Somebody said to me the other day I can tell that you're just looking to be right. And I'm like, I don't I don't know. Instead of getting mad at that, I actually said can you tell me what makes you think that based on what I said?

Dave: Or, yes, I do want to be right. 

Lana: I want you to tell me where you're getting this information. Is it from a reaction you're having? Is it I actually said to somebody, You're assuming this about me. Based on absolutely no information. So you might be upset about something I'm saying, and it might have hit a nerve, or this might have reminded you of somebody you dated five months ago.

It has nothing to do with this conversation. So when I start to go into a logical direction, some people will just tell me, oh, you're just trying to argue with me, you're just trying to be right. There's a girl in my group who is fairly conservative, and my mods don't really like her, but I'm like, listen, we need to keep her, if she has something to say, then we need to leave her in there and let her say what she's gonna say.

And she said to me at one point, well I know that, [00:40:00] I know you just don't like me, and that's why you opposed basically the New Orleans issue. Where the guy hit, drove into a house and killed people, that, or New Orleans, and that went on. I posted 

it, in my group. 

Dave: The recent one you're talking about. 

Lana: Yeah, and all my girls were like, oh this is terrible, and blah blah blah, and she said that's a PVP area.

And I had a reaction to that, because that sounded to me like a video game comment. Oh, okay, you might have World of Warcraft in front of you, but this is like people have died here. So I thought it was an insensitive comment. So I said that's a shit take as far as I'm concerned. Oh, okay, those people were there, so they deserved to be killed because they were standing there.

And she's then she came back and said, no, I have family in New Orleans, and I know that area, and that area's bad. And I'm like, okay, you calling it PVP is like minimizing, or in my opinion, the way that you explained it. So we went back and forth, and she said to me you just don't like me, and that's why you're opposing my opinion.

And I said, how do I not like you? I've never had an argument with you ever. What are you talking about? And so finally she said to me, oh 

Dave: They're finding [00:41:00] out more and more about it, and it was a terrorist attack. It has nothing to do with the neighborhood. 

Lana: But what I'm saying is, for her to just be like, oh And I'm like, okay, I don't like people who go like this, over people that are dying. And... 

Dave: ...she waved her hand 

Lana: Yeah, I waved my hand. To be honest with you, that's not what she did, but it came off that way to me. But I gotta tell ya, 

My friend Rissa... who

Dave: does it matter if, okay, let's say they were all shit bags living in that neighborhood. Does it matter that shit bags died or good people died?

It really doesn't matter. 

Lana: No, it does not. 

Dave: It doesn't matter if a drug addict gets run over. And it's sad because in society 

Lana: Let's talk about the woman who got burned up on the train in New York. That was the most horrific thing I've ever seen. 

Dave: Horrendous. 

Lana: Somebody a cop walked by that and didn't do anything.

I watched it in the video, so it's the reaction, I get it. New York police see a lot of shit, and they're desensitized to stuff, and I get it. Yep. Yep. Yep. The woman may have been homeless and I, there have been people who made the argument of that's, that's the deal. 

She deserves to live.

Dave: I I agree with that and I have a very distinct thing that happened. A drunk driver ran over and killed a homeless [00:42:00] man in Salem, Mass. Okay, and they never investigated it or nothing. They literally had information of a woman getting out of the car. And running away from the scene.

Dropped her phone so they knew who she was. The guy she was with who jumped into the driver's seat. He was sober. He literally texted her and goes, You're so screwed they knew you were here. And the cop got the text. Cause he had her phone. Nothing happened to either one of those people. Nobody went to jail, nothing happened, it was considered an accident, and that was the end of it, because the guy was a homeless guy.

If that had happened to a college student, or some affluential person in the neighborhood, or anything, there would have been a huge investigation. 

Lana: The Brock Turner theory, for instance. 

Dave: 100%. 

Lana: Yeah. 

Dave: There's a they're, that, so we as a society have created this because we're assuming that some lives are more valuable than others.

And that's just not the case. A life is a life. And, [00:43:00] so there's that. And we maybe we could have a topic on that. Maybe we could even do a topic, we, on the gun rights and the way that people should understand there is a happy medium here. And maybe we could talk about that.

So again, you guys let us know what you want us on next episode to be because, 

Lana: See how we are? Look at us. We look at that, man. We burn up an hour. 

Dave: I know it. 

Lana: We're down to I had to set a timer because Dave and I, when we started talking, It's never ending. But what I did was I set it for 45 minutes or something like that, and we have five left.

But I think I set it at 45 three or four minutes in, because I forgot to start. But anyway. 

Dave: I did the same thing. 

Lana: Yeah, I think there are several things to talk about and discuss. Obviously, I 2025 we need to be a little bit more empathetic. Maybe not empathetic. I get, and we're logical all day long, right?

And I get that, but there are times where logic is maybe not the time to come up with things, and to come up with logic at a time where somebody's been hit [00:44:00] by a car or been burnt up in a subway. 

Dave: In reality, I'm gonna say really quick, for example I have old friends that have passed away from drug, overdosing and the logical answer to that is duh, what do you think?

Do you think I would say that to their parents? And that's the problem that we're having today is people don't realize that those are people that people love regardless of what their choices were or whether or not I knew they were going to die because in reality, if you're a heroin addict, you're going to either die or you're going to quit.

Those are your options, right? So does it surprise me when I hear a heroin addict that's been somebody you've been using for 10 years dies? I'm not surprised. I would never, 

Lana: But it's still sad. It's still unfortunate. 

Dave: Of course it is. There are still people that are affected deeply from that. And so to me, to say no shit the person's. dead because they chose a shitty lifestyle or they continued down a [00:45:00] shitty path. It's not the right time. Is that a fact? It is a fact. I'm stating a fact. 

Lana: There's also some falseness going on where if you watch again in these stupid groups, a car accident happens. And it's let's say a one person car or something like that.

And the person doesn't survive. Do you know your people won't read the article at all and I'll just I believe that I call it the edge lord syndrome where I believe that there are people that just say stuff to say stuff Because it's fun to watch everybody get upset about 

Dave: Right. 

Lana: Their insensitive comment or whatever.

Dave: We definitely have trolls. Yeah, we definitely have... 

Lana: Yeah And I think some of that is troll behavior, especially in under those news sites, whatever but it's like when somebody says hey, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, or if you're, hey, listen if you're gonna have a problem with speed, then you're gonna hit something, and the article was not about that at all, and the person was going 20 miles an hour.

Just stuff like that. But like I said in the last show, if you're watching social media, if you're looking at social media, and something infuriates you, instead of responding, the [00:46:00] first thing you should do is say, why is this bothering me? Why is this infuriating me? It's social media controlling your emotional state. Think about that, right? 

Dave: Yep. 

Lana: So why is it? Do you think that something was presented to you in a way to upset you because the algorithm likes that fucking response? 

Dave: Of course it does. 

Lana: Think about it, right? The first thing you should do is ask yourself why you're upset.

And then the second thing you should do is look at the story in a perspective of, Okay, this is going on in Tacoma, Washington, and I don't live there. I'm upset about this, but I don't know, I can't possibly know the details. I know what I'm being presented with. And so maybe they want you to be upset.

From there, at least, go dig up the information. Just go look it up. 

Dave: Yes, Yes at least know the information first because I guarantee you…

Lana: Find out if you're upset about anything legitimate before you get upset. or if you have any control over what's happening, or if it's not in your backyard, and I'm not saying don't care about anybody that's not in your backyard, but I'm just saying for you [00:47:00] to, launch an all out war on something that's going on 300, 3000 miles away, whatever.

Dave: From a headline too, and not reading the actual thing. I did that, I did a test once when I was doing my live, right? And I titled it, you remember that, right? I titled it Anxiety and Depression. Get over it. It's in your head. People launched an all out war against me because I, that was my title. But if you watch the video, I was explaining that, right?

Because it is your brain doing it to you. It's your head that does it. And there's solutions for that, right? And we've talked about this numerous times. But it's so funny. 

Lana: They took it as a dismissive comment or whatever. 

Dave: They did. 

Lana: People do read things in a negative light most of the time. If they don't have context.

Dave: They don't want the context. They just, they don't want it. 

Lana: They want to be mad. 

Dave: Yeah, they do. They don't want the context of it. And that was my response to everybody who, because I responded to every single thousands of them that I got, you don't know, blah, blah, blah. And I go, watch the episode.

That was my answer to [00:48:00] everybody. Watch the episode, go watch it and come back, watch the episode. And you make some comments on something you don't even know about. Just because the headline says that. And a lot of people take the headlines from everything, and we gotta stop doing that. We gotta look at the whole picture.

Yes. Stop just looking at the... 

Lana: But here's my thing, if you I really can't stand people who claim to be something that they're not. If you're the type of person who doesn't want to read the headlines, and all you want to do is, or you doesn't want to read the story, and all you want to do is look at the headline, at least be honest with yourself about that's what you're doing.

Don't tell me you know anything about something that you 

Dave: I don't like that headline. See, that headline sounds very dismissive. Yeah. It's supposed to. It's supposed to generate. And a lot of people watch that show. It was one of my most popular shows. 

Lana: Rage Bait is what it's called. It's called Rage bait.

It's literally got a word now. 

Dave: So it get, you think that somebody would go, I disagree with that, I have to watch this. But instead, they don't watch it, and they just want to spout off at the mouth based on what their initial feelings were just for that without having and that just proved the point and I knew it was going to happen.

I knew. 

Lana: It does. [00:49:00] 

Dave: And it does. 

Lana: But I bet you a bunch of people never learned anything even though you broke it all down. They probably still walked away mad and didn't learn anything from it. 

Dave: So I don't believe that those people that a couple people came back. Out of the thousands of hate paragraphs I've got and my response was, watch the episode.

A couple people came back and said, I watched the episode that was great. That was great. It was very informative. There was doctors involved, with that whole thing. And, cause we, my favorite episode that we've ever done was with Bonnie. 

Lana: Yeah, we gotta get Bonnie back.

Dave: Oh, God, yeah, it's my favorite. I love the human brain and the way it works. 

Lana: Yeah. 

Dave: And it's disabilities that we can give it. Yeah. And the way that we can give back. Take those disabilities out of it too. It's a process for sure. But, we're at the... 

Lana: I know we're running out. 

Dave: We're at the end of our thing and I just want to say this really quick.

I'm glad to be back. 

And whatever you want to hear from us, Oh, I'm so excited to be back. 

Lana: You fucker, you better not go anywhere. 

Dave: I'm not going anywhere. [00:50:00] That's my New Year's resolution. 

Lana: Alright, you all heard it. 

Dave: I've never made a new year's resolution before. 

Lana: I'll let you know where he lives and everything.

You should go get him. 

Dave: Yeah, come get me at the beach. Nobody has ever, I've never made a new year's resolution before ever in my life because I thought they're stupid. But this is my first one. Yeah, this is my first. Yeah. Look at me. I'm trying to join the team. society today. But yeah, so I need to do more things in my life that make me happy.

And this is one of the things that makes me happy. I enjoy doing the podcast cause I love to talk. 

Lana: Yep. 

Dave: Not that I haven't been talking in tons of meetings over the past year, but this is way more fun, right? Because we can talk about different topics and me and Lana, the way that we talk with each other is it's crazy. We've had phone conversations that were over 8 hours long. And we don't even realize it. Cause we get on a topic and just go 

Lana: I think part of that though is we go so long in between conversations. That's part of it sometimes, I think. 

Dave: Yeah, but still. We do. We have a lot of catching up, and most of our conversation, or friendship is [00:51:00] based on topic.

Yeah. Like truly. Yeah. It really is. How you doing? How you doing? Good. I'm doing good. You know about this? There it goes. Yeah. We're off on a mission, it's great to be back. And I'm very happy to be back. And I'm glad you didn't just bounce me anyway, because you could have. 

Lana: A couple of times I... I'll tell everybody the story, even though we're running over. But what I did was I got a hold of him. I'm like, okay, it's 2025. And I've been holding the fort down. And I'm not a judgmental person. Dave knows me. So I'm listen, if this is something you don't want to do, I'm not going to get upset with you about that but I really would rather know. So that way I can get the information to whoever we need to let them know what's going on and rebrand the podcast because I don't want to start going into 2025 where we're all packaged as us and i'm still talking solo. I just think...

Dave: Right.

Lana: It's a little bit confusing for listeners So and he's okay. If you need to do that, you need to do that and somehow over the conversation He's no, you know what? No. Yeah. No, we're gonna continue this and i'm like good [00:52:00] because I don't want to change everything 

Dave: Yeah, it was like I initially said yeah, go ahead, you know rebrand it i'm not going to be offended I get it you know you're doing your thing and I just don't have enough time in the day and that's when my brain just went 

Lana: Fuck this.

Dave: You need to make enough time in the day because it's something you enjoy and I haven't really had an opportunity to people that know me know I love my guns. I love to go out shooting and stuff. I haven't had nothing. I've done nothing. 

Lana: If you haven't seen your dad in a long time or you haven't driven to his house.

Dave: I literally just saw my dad the Saturday after Christmas and prior to that I didn't see him for a year. I can't even, I couldn't even take the time to drive down there because, It's just, I've got too much going on. It's crazy. So I need to take 

Lana: Dave and his, what is it? His his developer thing. Cause I would call it developer.

Was that what you're doing? That's pretty much your title. 

Dave: Sure. 

Lana: As far as I find a company, I build it out. I sell it. 

Dave: That's it. Yeah. It's like houses, but with tech. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. 

Lana: That, that. I [00:53:00] get it. I get it, 

Dave: It's fun. It's exciting, 

Lana: You wanna do your thing.

That's fine 

Dave: This one's very time consuming which I wasn't expecting because we're having some stuff built In china, so I have to do Chinese meetings two o'clock in the morning Yeah, so my day starts at 2 a. m. And doesn't usually end till 10 Yeah. And it's a lot, right? And in the few, 

Lana: A man of your age, you could wear yourself out to acting like that.

Dave: Yeah, whatever, use it or lose it. And I'm going to use it as much as I can, but I do need to do things that are, I've, even my friends, I used to see Ryan every day, I'd take time and go see Ryan, see my dad, talk to my kids and, I just been balls to the wall and I don't know why that's a thing.

What does that even mean? Maybe that, 

Lana: I don't know, 

Dave: maybe we'll have...

Lana: maybe we'll do a podcast on sayings. 

Dave: ...have, maybe we'll do a podcast on sayings and where they came from. That would be a good one, because 

Lana: ..It would be a good one. I've got a few.

Dave: I've found a I found a lot of cool things i, there's a talker I follow and they do that where all these things came from and the history of things and some of 'em are really cool. 

Lana: They are. 

Dave: So [00:54:00] maybe we'll do a podcast on that if you guys would like to hear it. And we'll make it fun. Of course. 'cause we did the other one. I

Lana: wonder if that means when you have men tied up in your basement, you tie them facing the wall. Is that, I wonder if that's what that means. I'll have to ask. I'll have to ask my women hobbyist friends who have male slaves in their basement 

Dave: With their balls to the wall. 

Lana: That's what that means. The wall. I'm just kidding. 

Dave: Yeah. But you will do it. And you know what we'll do is you'll do them like we did last time.

Yeah. And I'll try to guess. Remember that's what we did. Oh yeah. That was a good podcast. People liked it because it was funny because I'm like, what? I never heard of that, but here's my guess, and some of them I was close, some of them I was way off. 

Lana: Yeah, oh, I know what we did, that was when we did all the like, new terms, the dating terms, that's right.

Dave: Yes yep, so we'll do something like that. 

Lana: Have any of you listened? If you didn't, you should. 

Dave: Yeah, 

Lana: So I think for now I think everybody listening should start at the beginning and listen to all our podcasts I don't think anybody's probably gonna listen to this one that hasn't already listened to some of ours But if you are new welcome, 

Dave: yes.

Thank you for coming. 

Lana: And I [00:55:00] guess you'd want to interact with us, make sure you give us messages, let us know if you like this, you didn't like this is a podcast that you want us to talk about, any kind of topic that you find interesting, that we haven't covered, obviously. Any kind of reaction to what we're saying in this particular show, any reaction to how we're going to structure the show, from here on out.

Before we go, I just want to say, www. lanaanddave. com, that's our website. That's where everything is. Our platforms are there. Our social media is there. You can message us from there. Do we have an 800 number? 

Dave: We don't. 

Lana: Okay, that's okay. 

Dave: We will. Honestly, we will. 

Lana: We will get back on that. Yeah. But in the meantime, that's pretty much how to get us.

If you have us on Facebook or Instagram or X as it's called now, I'm going to call it Twitter forever. There's no way I'm going to change that. 

Dave: I know, right? 

Lana: I can't. But yeah. That's a way to get a hold of us. Any kind of social media that I can get us on, I will, so that we'll have a presence everywhere.

Dave: We have Facebook, too, and -

Lana: We do, that's what I just [00:56:00] said. 

Dave: Everybody's, yeah, I know everybody's on Facebook that's...

Lana: Mostly everybody, but, I'm saying, there are people who can't stand it and leave. I actually have friends that have left Facebook and are mostly on Instagram or left 

Dave: Don't blame them.

Lana: No, I don't either, but I'm just saying, to reach people that don't follow Facebook anymore, we want to make sure that they have a way to get to us we will do that. And I think our podcast is on a platform that actually provides a way to message directly and I think that's being sent out to the platform.

So I think within your platform you have a place to go and message us anyway that sends back to the main. 

Dave: Does it?

Lana: There's a place to actually message us there now, so I think whatever you listen on, whether it be Spotify or, Apple Podcasts, or 

Dave: Yeah if you have an Apple phone, you automatically, a lot of people don't know this, because I tell people all the time, you have and if you know how to search your apps, you just pull down, you pull down your app from the middle and type in podcast, you do have podcasts already on your iPhone.

It's an app that comes with the iPhone, and we are on that. So you just search for you don't have to download it. It's [00:57:00] already there with Lane and Dave. Yep. 

Lana: And the only thing that you have to do is search for it. So I mean what I can do is for the platforms that we have for social media. I can get I can send you a link.

I can actually link it. That if you click it, it will literally pull us up on right in your Apple podcasts. And you can just hit subscribe, which you should do. So give us a five star review. Give us a subscription download podcast. That's what you want to do. That helps us that gets out to more people and share it. Please share it.

Dave: Yes, please. 

Lana: Are we still doing the coffee? 

Dave: Yep. Yeah. 

Yeah, and you could do a 

Lana: www.buymeacoffee.com/lanaanddave is that it? 

Dave: And that's LANA

Lana: yes. 

Dave: A N D D A V E. It's not Lana and David, it's Lana and Dave. 

Lana: Yes. 

And I think we're doing, to be honest with you, when you look us up on Google, which should get better very shortly, 

Dave: Yes.

Lana: You should be able to find, if you type in Lana and Dave, our podcast is pretty close to the top [00:58:00] now. There used to be some kind of Lana and Dave on some kind of reality show that would come up, because when we first started we really weren't top of mind at that time. But I think we come up pretty close to the top at this point.

Dave: Yeah, it was a guy. Yeah we do. Instagram comes first. David Murphy is the guy's name. And they were Lana and Dave were some reality show that ended up together. And yeah, so we're directly under them Love and Life with Lana and Dave. 

Lana: Okay. We're there. We're there enough that if you pull it up, if you type it in, it'll come up where you can see it on page one.

And in any way. So that's good. It wasn't always like that, 

Dave: And it's got our pictures too, 

Lana: yeah. That's what we look like. 

Dave: If you can't recognize our pictures from the sound of our voice, then what's the problem? 

Lana: I know. Any podcast that you're listening, any platform you're listening to now should have our picture.

Dave: Yeah, it does. 

Lana: You'd be looking right at it, if you're looking at your phone. Yeah. You should see it, aren't we lovely? Aren't we beautiful? 

Dave: I love us. 

Lana: We're actually a couple of trolls. We don't look anything like [00:59:00] that. 

Dave: I know, right? I have been David. 

Lana: I have been Lana. I think we should still be those people.

Dave: Yeah, we, yeah. Not till next month. But we'll talk to you guys soon. 

Lana: We will be \talking to you in February. And I think February we'll maybe have some kind of dating relationship themed type of podcast of some sort. That would be nice. 

Dave: Unless you guys send us a bunch of messages and give us a topic.

And it doesn't matter what the topic is, we'll do it. If a lot of people, it doesn't have to be just yeah it can be anything. We'll talk to you guys. 

Lana: Only if you guys want it. Alright. Yeah. 

Dave: Thanks for listening. 

Lana: Alright. Have a good day. Bye bye.